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RollTribe
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Re: Lake Central

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Brickman2020 wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:30 pm
It is the varsity coaches job to built and run the program. So it is his job to get the 7th and 8th graders to buy in and choose football over other sports. LC has great athletes, they are very good in every other sport. A talented head coach gets more of those kids to play football. It is a simple fix but finding the right head coach is very difficult.

Merrillville/Morton (6A) dominated Andrean and Valpo (5A) dominated them in a scrimmage so yes bigger public schools should beat very small 2A private schools
Hold on brother. You're saying this fix is SO simple that very FEW people can do it? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Brickman2020
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Re: Lake Central

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AD#8 wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:21 pm
Brickman2020 wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:30 pm
It is the varsity coaches job to built and run the program. So it is his job to get the 7th and 8th graders to buy in and choose football over other sports. LC has great athletes, they are very good in every other sport. A talented head coach gets more of those kids to play football. It is a simple fix but finding the right head coach is very difficult.

Merrillville/Morton (6A) dominated Andrean and Valpo (5A) dominated them in a scrimmage so yes bigger public schools should beat very small 2A private schools
If building a football program is so easy, then why has the region won so few state titles in football. I'll raise you one, by your handle, I can only assume you are from Hobart, using your logic,with a winning football tradition in football, you'd think Hobart had athletes walking the halls, why have all their baseball and basketball teams been so bad? I'll help you with that, A + B doesn't always equal C. LC parents value baseball, so as a result of 500 kids a summer in 6-8th grades playing travel baseball, by the time they get to high school, it's pretty easy to put a quality team together. That's not to say the Varsity baseball coach isn't doing a great job, but he's got a lot of ponies to make his job easier. Football isn't a priority in the tri-town, so you get an average team at best annually in St. John.

If you read my post I said its an easy fix but very difficult to find the coach. The tri-town raiders is one of the best pop warner teams in the region so yes they have a strong feeder system. the problem is they can not get their kids to come to LC but instead they go to Andrean or Mount Carmel. Does not matter what high school you coach you have to recruit players. A public school coach has to convince his talented kids to stay in the district or else you will fall behind.

I agree that Hobart does not have anywhere near the athletes of LC but the difference is coaching and running a program. We have college level off season training, practices run like a college team, run college schemes and lil brickie football is in constant communication with the high school team on how to teach and coach up the players. That is how you build a program!

AD#8
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Re: Lake Central

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Let me help you with regard to the Tri-Town Raiders and their success and how that is meaningless when it comes to high school success. When you compile a group of older/lighters and have them play against 8-10 year old when they are 12, but the same weight, the 12 year olds are likely to have greater success. The Raiders have proved this year in and year out. Andrean and Mount Carmel have a handful of LC students, off the top of my head, I don't recall anyone outside of Bowen being huge difference makers. Nice players, but not a single one would make or break a season besides Bowen.

I'd actually disagree and say right now, Hobart has more difference makers than LC. I don't think you give TBart enough credit for his off season work, or perhaps you don't have any knowledge of the inner workings of his program. I do know however that despite the great program being built in Hobart, they have the same number of state titles as the rest of the region in the last 10 years not named Andrean. It appears the entire area has work to do before anyone goes and pounds their chest.

AD#8
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Re: Lake Central

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Let me help you with regard to the Tri-Town Raiders and their success and how that is meaningless when it comes to high school success. When you compile a group of older/lighters and have them play against 8-10 year old when they are 12, but the same weight, the 12 year olds are likely to have greater success. The Raiders have proved this year in and year out. Andrean and Mount Carmel have a handful of LC students, off the top of my head, I don't recall anyone outside of Bowen being huge difference makers. Nice players, but not a single one would make or break a season besides Bowen.

I'd actually disagree and say right now, Hobart has more difference makers than LC. I don't think you give TBart enough credit for his off season work, or perhaps you don't have any knowledge of the inner workings of his program. I do know however that despite the great program being built in Hobart, they have the same number of state titles as the rest of the region in the last 10 years not named Andrean. It appears the entire area has work to do before anyone goes and pounds their chest.

Brickman2020
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Re: Lake Central

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AD#8 wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:58 pm
Let me help you with regard to the Tri-Town Raiders and their success and how that is meaningless when it comes to high school success. When you compile a group of older/lighters and have them play against 8-10 year old when they are 12, but the same weight, the 12 year olds are likely to have greater success. The Raiders have proved this year in and year out. Andrean and Mount Carmel have a handful of LC students, off the top of my head, I don't recall anyone outside of Bowen being huge difference makers. Nice players, but not a single one would make or break a season besides Bowen.

I'd actually disagree and say right now, Hobart has more difference makers than LC. I don't think you give TBart enough credit for his off season work, or perhaps you don't have any knowledge of the inner workings of his program. I do know however that despite the great program being built in Hobart, they have the same number of state titles as the rest of the region in the last 10 years not named Andrean. It appears the entire area has work to do before anyone goes and pounds their chest.
Lake Central Football Records:
2019: 3-7
2018: 2-8
2017: 2-8

7 wins in 3 years, you're right I have no knowledge of the inner workings of his program but whatever he is doing it is clearly not working. If you look at the top programs in the area Merrillville, Hobart, Valpo and Andrean they all do what I have described with college like off seasons, practices and lifting

VikingNation
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Re: Lake Central

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When Brett Saint Germain took over the Lake Central job, he had to work hard to change that culture. Part of that was getting his arms around the middle school and pop warner program to prevent talent from leaving for Andrean or Mount Carmel.

If TBart is building this program, which I know takes time, how do you not have the best relationships with kids like Drayk Bowen?

The point of my post is trying to find the root of of the problem at LC and if you are telling me that it is a community problem than maybe they need to reevaluate how they are running their middle school programs to get this community excited about football.

They are too big to be this bad.

AD#8
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Re: Lake Central

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VikingNation wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:01 pm
When Brett Saint Germain took over the Lake Central job, he had to work hard to change that culture. Part of that was getting his arms around the middle school and pop warner program to prevent talent from leaving for Andrean or Mount Carmel.

If TBart is building this program, which I know takes time, how do you not have the best relationships with kids like Drayk Bowen?

The point of my post is trying to find the root of of the problem at LC and if you are telling me that it is a community problem than maybe they need to reevaluate how they are running their middle school programs to get this community excited about football.

They are too big to be this bad.
Brett St. Germain can flat out coach, and he did a great job as a head football coach, zero argument there. Brett did little more than coach the high school kids he had in the doors, he did nothing with the lower levels and had an adversarial relationship withe the pop warner program, so that part of your statement is flat out false.

LC's 3 communities are baseball towns, football is secondary at best. The person that can get kids to stop specializing and understand that only 25 kids a season play varsity baseball, while there are many more opportunities in football, will win ball games. Too many parents are delusional and believe a DI baseball scholarship awaits their sons.

LC is too big to be as bad as they are, I would agree.

RollTribe
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Re: Lake Central

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AD#8 wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:55 pm
VikingNation wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:01 pm
When Brett Saint Germain took over the Lake Central job, he had to work hard to change that culture. Part of that was getting his arms around the middle school and pop warner program to prevent talent from leaving for Andrean or Mount Carmel.

If TBart is building this program, which I know takes time, how do you not have the best relationships with kids like Drayk Bowen?

The point of my post is trying to find the root of of the problem at LC and if you are telling me that it is a community problem than maybe they need to reevaluate how they are running their middle school programs to get this community excited about football.

They are too big to be this bad.
Brett St. Germain can flat out coach, and he did a great job as a head football coach, zero argument there. Brett did little more than coach the high school kids he had in the doors, he did nothing with the lower levels and had an adversarial relationship withe the pop warner program, so that part of your statement is flat out false.

LC's 3 communities are baseball towns, football is secondary at best. The person that can get kids to stop specializing and understand that only 25 kids a season play varsity baseball, while there are many more opportunities in football, will win ball games. Too many parents are delusional and believe a DI baseball scholarship awaits their sons.

LC is too big to be as bad as they are, I would agree.
Agree entirely. Also, while I was a fan of BSG as a coach, the talent he had those years was simply not the same as the last few years at LC. He was a fine coach too, but that was a good cycle of talented players during that stretch. Did he "convince" kids the stars to play football over other sports like some on here are saying? No, those stars were playing football likely regardless of who was coach. There hasn't been a Gelen Robinson, David Yancey, or Antwan Davis on the LC roster in years.

DT.
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Re: Lake Central

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I think there is a general lack of "toughness" in that community.

Elmer's teams were very physical, and that element started to disappear when he left the program. The last word I would use to descrivbe the LC football program is "tough."

Can they ever get that back?

With 1500 boys to choose from, you would think there would be a few ruffians in the bunch.

It makes so little sense that they built this beautiful new football facility and then sat back and watched the program waste away.

Personally, I dont think the community or the administration has the patience, desire or will to support a Ten Year Rebuild, which is what it will take to rise back up to the top of The DAC.

VikingNation
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Re: Lake Central

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AD#8 wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:55 pm
VikingNation wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:01 pm
When Brett Saint Germain took over the Lake Central job, he had to work hard to change that culture. Part of that was getting his arms around the middle school and pop warner program to prevent talent from leaving for Andrean or Mount Carmel.

If TBart is building this program, which I know takes time, how do you not have the best relationships with kids like Drayk Bowen?

The point of my post is trying to find the root of of the problem at LC and if you are telling me that it is a community problem than maybe they need to reevaluate how they are running their middle school programs to get this community excited about football.

They are too big to be this bad.
Brett St. Germain can flat out coach, and he did a great job as a head football coach, zero argument there. Brett did little more than coach the high school kids he had in the doors, he did nothing with the lower levels and had an adversarial relationship withe the pop warner program, so that part of your statement is flat out false.

LC's 3 communities are baseball towns, football is secondary at best. The person that can get kids to stop specializing and understand that only 25 kids a season play varsity baseball, while there are many more opportunities in football, will win ball games. Too many parents are delusional and believe a DI baseball scholarship awaits their sons.

LC is too big to be as bad as they are, I would agree.



I mean I will disagree with you on that all day but its whatever. We have talked about LC enough and time to bury this post and move on to Week 3 matchups.

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