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[nwifbfan]

And NIL will soon coming to high school sports!

[paintballer]

I find it absolutely hilarious and disingenuous that people like you actually believe recruiting is a p/p only activity.

The public schools are openly recruiting as much or more ( CP and Merrillville) than p/p’s combined. Add open enrollment in some school districts ie Hammond and now the IHSAA has now allowed the transfer rule.

Your comments have no credibility.

You're making a lot of assumptions about what I know or don't know.

You're also getting quite personal with your remarks as if it's necessary to prove your argument. Usually the sign of an Andrean graduate but I could be wrong.

Where did I state that any public school hasn't tried to influence some players to transfer? However, on average are you saying that all of the public schools are doing this? That would be quite the reach in my estimation. We all know that this is an activity that heavily leans in the private direction and to state otherwise is naïve. Also your claim of schools openly recruiting is clearly not true otherwise they would have easily been reported for doing so. Does anyone really think people are just going to let CP and The Ville take all their talent without putting up a fight that they'd easily win if it was so openly done. I'm not saying it is not happening but openly is a bit of a reach.

What does open enrollment have to do with anything? If a district decides that it's students can openly move between schools then that is a decision made by the district.

I will acknowledge that we have entered a wild west era with the new transfer rule but again recruiting for the public schools is still illegal even if does occur in some places.

Learn to have a civil conversation. It's a lot more productive.

[paintballer]

And NIL will soon coming to high school sports!

I hope not but probably

[nwifbfan]

I’m usually civil until I read uneducated ill informed posts. If you don’t understand how open enrollment assist in getting talent amassed at a school then I’m sorry I can’t help you. This is the same purpose of recruiting is it not?

I’m not saying all public schools do it but the better ones in NWI do as well as metro Indy. Indy is even worse than here. Do a little research on transfers into Merrillville and CO in last 5 years.

[paintballer]

I definitely understand and know all about the things you're talking about. You love making assumptions to complete your arguments. Why don't you gather the evidence and submit it to the state since you seem to know so much about it happening?

How is open enrollment in a district a schools fault? How is that school amassing talent due to being head and shoulders above the other schools in that district the fault of said school? That's a districts decision and does not automatically mean there is recruiting directly. It can occur indirectly simply through kids being drawn to the school performing the best. That also doesn't mean recruiting doesn't happen.

You also ignored a lot of points to attempt another insulting slam dunk. It doesn't land and just comes off as arrogant and incapable of debating the topic. Where we differ is I don't believe that the majority of the states public schools are doing this. While the majority of the private schools are.

The rural schools all over are not doing these things. The Knox, Rensellear, KV and Heritage Hills of this state are not doing this. That would be the majority of the state.

If what I am recommending is so insanely uneducated you must think Illinois is insanely stupid for the way they run their system that seams to work pretty darn well.

So in the end you seem not to understand that the MAJORITY of the public schools in the state are not doing what the select few in a few urban areas are doing. While at the same time we all know the MAJORITY of the private schools are. If that doesn't sit well with you oh well.

[Coach Nowlin 2.0]

its all open season now

also: State is now a rolling success factor cycle....not just in reclassification years.

Covid also added a wrench... I think WEBO went to 3 straight without a bump because of Covid

[nwifbfan]

I definitely understand and know all about the things you're talking about. You love making assumptions to complete your arguments. Why don't you gather the evidence and submit it to the state since you seem to know so much about it happening?

How is open enrollment in a district a schools fault? How is that school amassing talent due to being head and shoulders above the other schools in that district the fault of said school? That's a districts decision and does not automatically mean there is recruiting directly. It can occur indirectly simply through kids being drawn to the school performing the best. That also doesn't mean recruiting doesn't happen.

You also ignored a lot of points to attempt another insulting slam dunk. It doesn't land and just comes off as arrogant and incapable of debating the topic. Where we differ is I don't believe that the majority of the states public schools are doing this. While the majority of the private schools are.

The rural schools all over are not doing these things. The Knox, Rensellear, KV and Heritage Hills of this state are not doing this. That would be the majority of the state.

If what I am recommending is so insanely uneducated you must think Illinois is insanely stupid for the way they run their system that seams to work pretty darn well.

So in the end you seem not to understand that the MAJORITY of the public schools in the state are not doing what the select few in a few urban areas are doing. While at the same time we all know the MAJORITY of the private schools are. If that doesn't sit well with you oh well.

Paragraph 1 - I do know more than the average bearin this topic.

Paragraph 2 - open enrollment is not a fault of anyone. It is a fact that it allows the accumulation of talent at a school in a district that has it. It prohibits competitive balance which is like recruiting. Let’s take a look at our regions open enrollment district, Hammond. You don’t think Morton accumulates more football talent than HC? 76-0 is a pretty good indicator. HC gets the hoopsters. The point is it enables competitive imbalance which is at the heart of the p/p disdain.

Paragraph 3 - I stated above I don’t believe most public’s don’t but I do believe many do it in higher populated areas like Region, Indy Metro, Ft Wayne, Lafayette and South bend/Elkhart area.

Paragraph 4 - the rural schools don’t have density nor geography to amass talent and recruit so by default since there are so many it supports the majority statement.

Paragraph 5 - I don’t agree about Illinois. Illinois has a somehow determined set multiplier. Personally think Ohio does it the best because they assign the parochial grade school to a high school and those kids don’t get multiplied. They should not be punished for having their kids go from k-12 in their parochial system. Outside of their assigned feeder both private and public they get applied a different factor. This is done boy by boy then added up then assigned a Division. More thought out and detailed than Illinois.

As Coach N states, it is now open season. The IHSAA has implemented many things to address Competitive Balance like success factor and allowing open enrollment. The head scratcher is allowing open transfer portal because it seems like it will only decrease competition.

The age old argument of P/P’s and recruiting just does not carry the weight anymore. Too convenient to state and not accurate when you look at what has been implemented to diminish its impacts.

[paintballer]

I definitely understand and know all about the things you're talking about. You love making assumptions to complete your arguments. Why don't you gather the evidence and submit it to the state since you seem to know so much about it happening?

How is open enrollment in a district a schools fault? How is that school amassing talent due to being head and shoulders above the other schools in that district the fault of said school? That's a districts decision and does not automatically mean there is recruiting directly. It can occur indirectly simply through kids being drawn to the school performing the best. That also doesn't mean recruiting doesn't happen.

You also ignored a lot of points to attempt another insulting slam dunk. It doesn't land and just comes off as arrogant and incapable of debating the topic. Where we differ is I don't believe that the majority of the states public schools are doing this. While the majority of the private schools are.

The rural schools all over are not doing these things. The Knox, Rensellear, KV and Heritage Hills of this state are not doing this. That would be the majority of the state.

If what I am recommending is so insanely uneducated you must think Illinois is insanely stupid for the way they run their system that seams to work pretty darn well.

So in the end you seem not to understand that the MAJORITY of the public schools in the state are not doing what the select few in a few urban areas are doing. While at the same time we all know the MAJORITY of the private schools are. If that doesn't sit well with you oh well.

Paragraph 1 - I do know more than the average bearin this topic.

Paragraph 2 - open enrollment is not a fault of anyone. It is a fact that it allows the accumulation of talent at a school in a district that has it. It prohibits competitive balance which is like recruiting. Let’s take a look at our regions open enrollment district, Hammond. You don’t think Morton accumulates more football talent than HC? 76-0 is a pretty good indicator. HC gets the hoopsters. The point is it enables competitive imbalance which is at the heart of the p/p disdain.

Paragraph 3 - I stated above I don’t believe most public’s don’t but I do believe many do it in higher populated areas like Region, Indy Metro, Ft Wayne, Lafayette and South bend/Elkhart area.

Paragraph 4 - the rural schools don’t have density nor geography to amass talent and recruit so by default since there are so many it supports the majority statement.

Paragraph 5 - I don’t agree about Illinois. Illinois has a somehow determined set multiplier. Personally think Ohio does it the best because they assign the parochial grade school to a high school and those kids don’t get multiplied. They should not be punished for having their kids go from k-12 in their parochial system. Outside of their assigned feeder both private and public they get applied a different factor. This is done boy by boy then added up then assigned a Division. More thought out and detailed than Illinois.

As Coach N states, it is now open season. The IHSAA has implemented many things to address Competitive Balance like success factor and allowing open enrollment. The head scratcher is allowing open transfer portal because it seems like it will only decrease competition.

The age old argument of P/P’s and recruiting just does not carry the weight anymore. Too convenient to state and not accurate when you look at what has been implemented to diminish its impacts.

Now we're talking.

When did I say you don't know more than the average bear? I didn't.

So basically paragraphs 3/4 you're telling me that the majority of schools in the state have to then face rules imposed on them because of what is happening in the metro areas of the state with some schools? Sounds a lot like why we created an electoral college to prevent metropolitan areas from dominating their rural counter parts. That is why I said two years is not enough of a window to capture what is truly occurring.

I think the Ohio system sounds interesting and does address the recruitment fairly well because students who do not attend the assigned schools designated feeder system get applied a Tier 2 tag and get a multiplier. It also sounds like a good way to handle the open enrollment within districts.

Now that we're in the new age that literally started this season things may get quite weird quite fast but acting like this has drastically changed the landscape in one year is naive. The private school recruiting will carry weight as long as they continue to dominate the state tournaments in the fashion they do even after the application of these factors.